I have a group of friends who like to use Ouija board.
One day I went to the place they ussually hang out and ask them to show me how to use the board.
Then I give them the name of the person to be read.
They made a circle and use pentagram flag on the floor and several candles, there are about 15 persons there ( their ages are around 22 to 32 ), they said they have to gather their power.
First the Ouija board didn't want to move at all and made that group curious whether the person exist or not and I said of course he exist because we work in the same office.
After they asked the same question several time then it moved but always point to east.
And then it started answering and these are the answers.

* Man with no shadow.
* Protect with power of the crest moon and of the King's sword.
* Walking along with grace power of Saturn and the blowing wind of the East - dusty with mighty power and mythical and confusing like saharan thunder.
* You can not exactly read his line since he is like a man comes from nowhere of your thinking.
* When you look at the eyes of the eagle you can see the power of flame burning inside.
* As cold as Michael's sword and walk along with and under the mighty of Michael's shadow of strength.
* Trust nobody and soul and mind searching.
* As soft as the christmast snow but yet as cold as the north pole wind.
* He is a loaded "crossbow" and a time traveller.

And then the Ouija board moved faster and trembeling, 2 candles puff out and we stopped the question because those guys were affraid and the board act as if someone was throwing it away.

My question is... what are the meaning of those answers ( what I asked the group to ask the board was who is that person ) ?
I don't understand what is the meaning of The Power of Saturn, Power of Crest Moon, Man with noshadow, etc.
What was really happened, what's the mechanism of Ouija board so it can move with out anyone touching it ?

BRgds
;-)
Al Junayd

Is there any truth that the oiuja board conjurors up evil spirits? I`ve become involved with ghost hunting/investigations & an occupant of a haunted house was involved with the oiuja board. The investigators concluded that the forces haunting the house gained access to the occupant via the oiuja board. Needless to say it unnerved me.

Yes, it can happen. Most people don't understand that it's not a game. Evil spirits and demons are out there, and they will figure out a way to get to you. The term is known as progressive entrapment.

If you say, "I only want to talk to GOOD spirits, no hostile spirits or spirits with evil intents, just friendly spirits who want to chat with me", will it work?

It can't filter good or evil by choice. What pops up, pops up. You just have to be careful. You may wish to check out the BB system on www.scifi.com just to see what can happen, and what can be done.

I know first hand that the ouija board works; what I realized from it's use is that there is far more than we can ever hope to understand out there, and we have NO idea of what we are dealing with; people who have the ability to "see" are only getting glimpses of the expansive planes of existance that are really out there. So, I guess my advice is: don't fool with the board, and if you must, don't trivialize.

It most certainly is NOT a game, and you can't be certain of what you are getting in touch with. It is not a board game as they are so innocently trying to market it.

Always remember the adage: "Be careful of what you wish for; you just might get it"

My theory on the ouija board is such that the board is basically a tool which places the mind into a psychically receptive mode. It is not necessarily the size, shape, or type of material used, but rather the process of belief through a diversion. We still know very little about the powers of the mind and it would be very hasty to make lurid assumptions concerning the abduction of our minds by spirits;demons;etc...

Mag,
That's the kind of thinking you don't want to have when using a Ouija board, or you may find out first hand what is possible.

I will make this experience brief.I had just arrived back from Vietnam 1970.I was visitig my brother in Sydney,he was a great user of the ouija board.On this occasion he had recieved a message that he would die by water.Sure enough he died by drowning four years later trying to save a group of young boys.Myself I do not entertaine the use of the board,the future is best left alone.

Try to (or watch someone else try to) use an Ouija board while blindfolded so the letters, etc. can't be seen. Guess what happens? Jibberish, that's what. Answer this: If it's the spirits talking, why can't they talk sense when people can't see the board? Hmmmm...

DON'T USE OUIJA BOARDS THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!!!!!

I haven't used a Quia board yet, but I will. And I'll try the blindfold thing. I'm gonna find out for myself

I'VE EXPERIENCED WITH THE OUIJA AND HAD VERY INTERESTING RESULTS.THINGS WERE HAPPENING IN MY HOME.FOR EXAMPLE,DOORS OPENING,SEEING A WOMEN WHO DIDN'T LIVE IN MY HOME.I WAS ACTUALLY SLAPPED ON THE BACK OF MY LEG BECAUSE I WAS FALLING ASLEEP WHILE MY KIDS WERE WATCHING TV.SO I DECIDED TO TRY AND FIND OUT WHO OR WHAT,WAS DOING THESE THINGS.MY SON'S FATHER AND I BORROWED A OUIJA BOARD AND WE DEFINITLY FOUND THE ANSWERS WE WERE LOOKING FOR.IT WAS HIS DEAD MOTHER,"marilyn" I DIDN'T KNOW HER NAME.I WAS NEVER TOLD.SO WHEN SHE SPELT OUT HER NAME MY SON'S FATHER WENT COMPLETELY WHITE.I FOUND OUT SHE IS MY SON'S GUARDIAN ANGEL.ONE POINT I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE READING THIS TO KNOW AND REMEMBER IS IF YOU DO DECIDE TO USE THE OUIJA IS ALWAYS TAKE A CLOTH AND WIPE THE BOARD CLEAN.THIS IS CLOSING THE DOOR TO THE SPIRIT WORLD.YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT OPEN FOR EVIL OR JOKSTERS TO COME THROUGH AND STAY CAUSING ALOT OF PROBLEMS.

Ouija Boards are not toys. They can be used by lower astral entities as a way frighten human beings and cause negative phenomena to occur. There is no way to filter out "good" or "bad" entities with a Ouija Board. Think of it as a radio; you'll pick up everything out there whether you want it or not. My advice is if you own a Ouija Board take it out into your backyard and burn it.

... does this mean that I must burn my ouija board that has been sitting and rotting in my closet for months? No offence. But I got bored of it after 5 min. of play.

I had the most terrifying time of my life doing the oujaboard. there were around five of us "playing around" with this. It got to the point where I became almost obsessed, addicted to it, I used it to foretell events, to ask its advice and so on. I was under the impression that this oujaboard would help me and guide me and offer me some kind of helpand spirituality and security in my everyday living. as a result of my contacting the demonic realm (which is what you are doing) I brought into my life all manner of spiritual activity (demonic). I couldnt sleep at night, poltergeists would taunt me and terrify me. At midnight every night there 3was a loud bang as if the fridge had fallen over in my house. I got so bad with my fear of nights (only since doing the oujaboard) that my mum got me some sleeping tablets, when this didnt work, she contacted the local vicar, which led to the "exorcism of our home" which consequently then led to me becoming a born again christian. During my years of involvement with the oujaboard I can say that they were the most horrific times of my life, many stories I can tell of the curses this oujaborad caused me and the loss I suffered as a result.
I earnestly plead and warn people, dont mess with it, its real it works and it causes misery, destruction, pain and loss.

Hey this is ~*Lipalicous*~!!Where did your friends get the board?I've never been able to find a store that has them.I know the board is dangerous but I just want to see what they look like.You can answer here or at Talking boards.Thanx,
~*Lipalicous*~

K. I find paranormal activity astounding. i try to find out as much about it as possible. In an answer to the first message, it sounds like the man is some sort of elemental. Supposedly, the shape of a cresent moon is supposed to represent the element water. Also. In return to the message made by Lipalicous, you can make your own oija board at home. All you need is a coffe table, some pieces of paper and a glass. (Please note the word GLASS and NOT CUP.) Make all the letters of the alphabet on pieces of paper. tape them to your coffe table. You also need the numbers 0-9, and the words YES and No. Use the glass as you would the little-moving-thingy on the oija board. You could also try looking for one on the net.

But if you value your life you wont touch it...I warn you.

Love Tracy

I bought a ouiji board and tried it and only got sore arms out of it. I put a message on one of the other boards begging for someone to prove to me there is something after death. How do I use the ouiji. e-mail me with details. at OnlyPrissyChrissy@Yahoo.com I need to know.

"Lipalicous" you can find a ouija board at your local toys R Us stores. that's where I got mine and it isn't working. so good luck. Mine collects dust in the closet. OnlyPrissyChrissy, I can see I misspelled it above. Oh well.

I HAVE A FREAKIN OUIJA BORAD AND FOR GOD SAKES U DO NOT HAVE TO FEAR FOR UR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!1

In my experience, I have learnt only a certain types of "sensitive" people can really successfully use the Ouija PrissyChrissy...perhaps you are not a sensative or psychic person. However, I personally believe you could live without a ouija experience. It's overrated...you'll only get in touch with astral garbage anyways. Talking to earthbound spirits is like talking to people in our earth prisons...that is your talking, often, to murderers and crazies! You will will never find an angel on a ouija board!

Freak Monkey, u r decieved. You do have to fear for your life. Open your eyes man

Heyyy... justa thought...

Ive used Ouija boards before and ive gotten pearls of wisdon before like

"No matter how Thin you slice it, its still balogna"

"Cant Sleep. Clowns will Eat me"

and
"DOnt make me get my Flying Monkeys!"


Anyhoo..... heres a thought... look at your mouse... if you have one... Imagine.... putting some kind of Overlay on that that looks like the pointer.... and BOOM...... OUIJA for your PC!!!!!

Im the marketing guy.... can i get some Programmers here? im telling you i think we can make millions!

Yeah and some loose their minds as a result of messing around on them too.... prime example..

I take offense to that....

Im normal.. its the rest of you that are crazy.... you and the rest of the baloon animal people... you are all not well at all. Here, put this tin foil on your head, it will help block out the spacemen that are stealing your brainwaves and making you sick.

this message is for the first person who posted in this forum:
i have read over the messages that the board gave you and the meaning is decodable if you know how to read the phrases.
first of all "man with no shadow " is refurring to a man who is higher than this physical plain and not a mortal man.
"protect with the power of the crest moon and of the king's sword" is in referrence to the arcangel micheal who protects and defends against evil forces, the crest moon is one of his signes and he carries a mighty sword of which to detach earthbound spirits.
he is on a level of the very powerfull and in result none of this high realm comes "from anywhere of your thinking"
when talking about "micheal's sword" it is telling you of his protective sword of which he is known to carry.
"the mighty of micheal's shadow of strenth" is explaining he is the protector of the innocent and will protect you against evil with his strenth and keep you in the divine shadow.
finally" time traveler" means that he is immortal and in his realm time knows no bounds in which he is restricted to.
all of these messages are meant to tell you about him and that he wants you to ask him for protection, from what i am not sure at this moment , but if he took the effort to sent you a message for you to ask him for protection, you need it and must ask for it.
hope all works out. love and light

A few things about "the board" *please just
imagine what that looks like being said.. it's
more fun that way...* Anyhoo, about the O.B. My
friends have one. I don't think they've used it
since they got it. But they've had great luck. I
don't think it's the board though... Also about
the thing on using a mouse on a piece of paper or
even mouse pad based on the board. My friend had
a mouse pad like that and it no work-ed. So so
much for that. Hey! This whole thing would make a
pretty good episode of the Simpsons on a Hallow
eve....

I'm a ghost hunter but I think OUIJA BOARD are a gateway to HELL.Please stay away from them.You are only opening your mind up to something that is evil and is not a goof thing at all.

I am in queenstown for a couple of weeks and if you something weird or where I can find an ouija board please e-mail me !!!

If someone said come play with fire you would say NO, then why when warnings are given not just once but several times over something that is MORE DANGEROUS than even that dont people listen??
Just because the evil spirits are invisible doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they arent capable of doing great harm and causing hurt and sickness and more besides.
PLAY WITH OUJABOARD YOU PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH LIFE SERIOUS DONT DO IT

Note to Mattheu. Kewl can you imagine a ouija board on the PC. nothing like a haunted computer. Never know. smiles.

well as the saying goes " you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink"
But my friend I did warn you.....smiles.

Most people are scared of the ouija board because of a load of mystical mumbo jumbo, but there is no need to be afraid. The spirit is channeled through the user, and if there is more than one user then it is usually through the most receptive user and the emotions of the people concerned are what enables the spirit to move the planchette; remember, spirits have no physical presence, only a psychic one. The success/failure of the ouija board depends upon the person/s using it, and many different aspects of the makeup can affect the outcome, the base aspects being emotional, social and neurological stimuli; every one of these (broken down into about a million subcategories) is relevant in how the board works, but this one fact I believe to be true: The more balanced and harmonious a person is, the easier the spirit will find it to channel messages. The most jumbled and nonsensical messages tend to come through people with 'issues' and turbulent minds, but nonetheless these same people tend to give out the strongest emotional signals which are necessary in animating the board. This is why balance is key in maintaining successful contact. And the social implications are such things as having the right atmosphere to stimulate the people involved with the board, having the people overcome their fears of the board (which can hinder the working immesurably) and the relationships/trust between people using the board; these things among many others will determine your success.
Over 90% of the stories in circulation come from an age when it was taboo to dabble with the occult/arcane, and these stories were mostly conjured up to scare curious teenagers off the idea of playing with such things.
It's coming to a forefront that the occult and science are soon to be united, and every day scientists and theologists alike are working together to unravel the 'mystical' powers of nature to eliminate the crap that fills most peoples perceptions of what magick and the occult are about.
Wow, I've written more than I originally intended:)

There was a man named Aleister Crowley (Ive probably spelt his name wrong)who represented the pinnacle or one of the highest orders of occult magic similar to Anton LaVey of today. His motto that he gave credence to was " Do what thou wilt" in other words do what the hell you like, when you like, with who you like, however you like. Do all that is in your heart regardless of what society or morality or conscience even would dictate or suggest to you and regardless of all consequences. He taught how to use magical powers/forces that exist to prosper and make man happier than he is in his natural state. Now, it all sounds hunkydory, cushti, great, gimmee some o that. However, a lifestyle speaks more than the most inspired words or doctrines ever.
His lifestyle was quite simply a mess. Oh yes, he practiced what he preached. He did whatever his heart wanted and could wish for. He slept around, became dependent on drugs (heroin), suffered paranoia, had sleepless nights, depression, and finally he died..rich, in an old Scottish castle(his beautiful home)by blowing his brains out with a gun. Sad but true.
Do what thou wilt, his motto, sounds good and we love to hear it, it suits us to do what we please. Sometimes what suits us, and doing what we please is not good for us. Certain spiritual laws are out there, like gravity. If broken, consequences follow. You commit adultrey, I guarantee you trouble. When God said don't do specific things (that is "sin") it was to protect us you see. Moral values and basic codes of righteousness are set in order to protect us and keep us as humans in line. You go against certain things you get hurt. The bible is our handbook, it tells us not to meddle around with spirits or the occult, if we do, consequences follow.
So although Chris in his message above, puts forward a very well presented case, it is a deception and a lie, and above all, it is forbidden by our God to meddle with such things.
I as a Christian stand against such lies that would decieve the people.
God Bless all who have ears and hear, and have eyes and see.

Yo, Tracy,
Aren't you in the wrong place to be preaching?
For your info, although I enjoyed reading your post, Crowley died of a heroin overdose.
I've based my post upon the writings of science, all of which can be traced to people who actually existed somewhere down the line. Yours is based upon the teachings of a God, in whom not everybody will believe.
I, as being opposed to organised religion, stand against such hypocrisy that would try to sway the people with promises of salvation and redemption for our sins in order to lure them all into the grasp of the big comfy-blanket in the sky.
Christianity is good so far as it teaches right from wrong, but then what of the four million women burned as witches during the 14th Century trials?
If you don't condone meddling with spirits, then what do you call getting on your knees and praying to God, or talking to an invisible entity every time the going gets tough?
Please accept my views with an open mind.

Hi Chris,
You know I am in exactly the right place to preach.
Because of what value is it to preach in the churches alone, when the need is greater outside.
I believe there are some who are genuinely seeking truth out there, and here is an opportunity for those who are seeking to grasp the truth. However, it is a choice, one all of us are free to make. To choose between life and death, blessing and cursing.
The Holy Spirit is the one spirit we are allowed to invoke as human being, all other spirits are not allowed by the living God because of the harm and destruction they will eventually cause to us.
Is it not interesting that most mediums are sick with some disease?
When the going gets tough then yeah it is right to cry out to God almost natural for alot of people. But what really counts is following God even when all is well around you. I too, find it hard to swallow when convicted murderers turn to God in prison and claim to be changed people,I say that is all too common, although some are genuine, but not all. It does not impress me to hear them turn to God when the going gets tough.
What does impress me however, is when a businesessman who is succesful and has nothing to loose and has a "good" life as we know it, turns to God because he discovers that having everything actually does not satisfy and provide the peace, joy and happiness he thought it would.
I believe in reality and truth, I approach God always with an open mind and do not accept just anything, but I have to find what is reality, what is truth. Chris, I hope you will accept the truth with an open heart. However, I can change nobody nor do I claim to. I will never manipulate or entice people into following Jesus Christ, because it to me is just like being a sales rep.
I hate it, because it is so unreal. People with true hearts will come of their own accord, my job is simply to say this is the way, the truth and the life, choose life, it makes sense.
:-) Not everyone who practices magic or the occult is evil, some are just misguided folk who are hungry and thirsty for truth and guidance, it is to those people that I speak to.
There are some people sat in churches who are going to hell, and some people who practice the occult, or who are muslims even, who are going to heaven.
You see it is the heart God looks at, and our conscience is a guide given to us by God.
Chris I hate hypocrisy more than most, Christians should put their money where their mouth is,in or out I say,be on fire for God or go enjoy sin bigtime. But please do not ever become one of those sad wishy washy ineffectual Christians (who arent really Christians at all)who go to church once a week and play a silly game.I think most people can see that is useless.
When Jesus said I want you hot or cold, He meant it. He told the lukewarm folk, those who play church with hypocrisy that he would vomit them out of His mouth, He meant it.

Its completely impossible to base the existance and non existance of God upon fact, and that is exactly why there has never been a definite outcome to the debate of whether or not a greater being/intelligence exists; but we are people with the gift of reason and rationale, which are extremely useful in deciding what makes sense and what makes none.
The idea of a greater good is all appealing to people that need the greater good, but I don't understand why many religious people cannot argue any deeper than the point 'because God says so' or 'because it is Gods will'.
Replace the word 'God' with 'the invisible man' and you might see how ridiculous this all sounds. If anyone tried to explain an alternative form of the bible to you, based upon exactly the same logic, sense, foundation and promise as this bible, would you accept it so readily? Even if history proved it to have been written before the original bible? I get the feeling that you have never even questioned the existance of God and been totally honest with yourself. But this is just my perception, and that aside, you seem like an ok gal;)
People are just animals by nature, but Christianity cashes in on their need to be divine. If material wealth etc aren't important, then how come the churches are the finest, richest buildings in the land - very often built beside a town with homeless and starving people in the doorways. Why don't they just sell their building and house the homeless - and the congregation could pray to the invisible man from their own homes. Wouldn't that be the right thing to do? The church is the most corrupt, greedy institution in the world and it exploits all the fear and the neediness of the hardworking people who just need something to believe in.

Material wealth eh? you hit on something there, isnt this supposed to be about the oujaboard? Well, anyhow that aside, back to your point.
To have no need of anything is true wealth indeed. To be content with lots or very little is true contentment. Money in itself is not evil, but the love of it is. If your heart is set upon riches then you are bound by it and it becomes your master, it dictates to you and you are no longer in control of it, it controls you.
But, like I said earlier, money in itself is no big deal. Then we can go to the other extreme of
so called "Christian" thinking which is not Christian at all, but a view supported by some. Which is this, that to be in poverty= spirituality. Actually to be in total poverty brings you nothing but misery, and the God I serve and know is not a mean Father, but one who likes to provide and bless His creation.
Sadly some American Evangelists do cash in and exploit Christianity but it does not trouble me too much, because they never last long, God very often exposes it for what it is somewhere along the line.
You know, when you fall in love with somebody, can you see the force of "love" itself? You may see the effect of it manifesting itself in affection and kind words etc.. but do you actually SEE the force of love itself?
Do you SEE the force of gravity ? Do you SEE the wind?
Just because you cannot SEE God with your eyes means nothing. Reasoning, brain power is all fine in its place, but hey, what about when miracles take place?
Do you reason out how you will fall in love and who with? You cannot.
My point being that God is above all reasoning, all mindpower, all brainpower. Yeah they have their place, but it is the saddest thing I find, when people have only got their brains to rely upon.
Anyhow. Satanism is based mostly on how to gain from this world Chris, it teaches how to be more succesful and how to use your mind in more expounding ways, it teaches whow to manipulate, dominate and gain victory, influence and power over others, perhaps you should give that a try?

Hey Tracy,
I have and I do (Satanism, in a sense) - but I really do like you and I want you to know this. I totally respect and appreciate your insights here, because you are very reasonable and intelligent. And thanks - it is about ouija board, I digressed big style! But then again, we're the only ones keeping this thread going anyhow:)
There's more to me than material gain though - I just like to live as well as possible and to live as my own centre of the universe; but this isn't like many people's idea of Satanism - because, for example, the biggest gain I can imagine for myself is to see my loved ones smiling and to learn as much as I possibly can about all things. There is also a massive spiritual side, but I think the difference lies in my trust of no external spirits (ie deities, gods or whatever) and as always, I prefer to make my own way through life. Gain to me isn't necessarily cash, but I do love the things cash can get me - ie a more comfortable life for me & my kin. Wealth is about living to the best of your abilities and trying every fruit on the tree without kicking your own ass and letting guilt or fear tie you in knots. I love to write and I love art. Life to me is about one thing - living.
Basically I don't want to gain 'victory, influence and power' over others, but on the other hand I don't trust in the majority of people, regardless of backgrounds, so I do like to be in a position where I won't be left with egg on my face, so yeah you're right there too.
Anyway, I'm very much of the live and let live school, and I didn't intend this to turn out quite the religious debate it has, for which I apologise, but I'm enjoying talking here anyway.
Care to start any other topics?

Actually, there's just one teensy, weensy point I need to drag back up - Crowley's 'Do what thou wilt' isn't cited as being regardless of the consequences, and neither is the Satanic LaVeyan interpretation of it. It's about being held accountable for your own actions - i.e. should you choose to kill, don't bitch when you're sent to prison. Should you choose to adulterate, don't come crying when it all turns bad. It's not an excuse for recklessness by any means. It just accepts people as individuals and teaches independance rather than dependance.

I have to say, Chris and Tracy, that you two have just had the best debate I have ever heard regarding good vs evil and Does God Exist. I have taken both sides of this discussion, including the ouija board which started it all and find most people fall into phrases like "the bible says so" or "bullshit" way before making their point. :)

I would love to hear your opinion (both of you) of spirit writing, human contact by angels (more happy crap from the unicorn and rainbow people or devine intervention in human affairs)and how do you feel about coinsidence?

By the way, Im not jerking your chains, I would really love to hear your opinions.

Scot

LOL Scot,
I know how you feel. I'm a man of science and I believe in paranormal activity weather it be "God" or another form of spirituality (good or evil). Miricles can happen, but how are you so sure that its God thats performing these miracles?

I had an experience when I was young and I have no clue behind the meaning of what it was or what it wanted from me. We didn't have any pets or anything else that could have caused this... I was asleep and I woke up to a noise in the living room (my room was connected to it) I turned and propped myself up so that I could see around the corner and into the living room. I couldn't see anything so I made a slight sound just barely loud enough to hear because I knew it was there, I just couldn't see it, but I heard it. When I made the noise I fell back into the bed and acted as if I was asleep with my eyes completely shut and my head turned. The way I fell resulted in my left arm hanging off the bed. I then heard it again and it sounded like a soft "grrrr" as it ran to me. I didn't hear any footsteps or feel any wind from it, but it took my hand and tried to pull me. I'm not sure if I tried to resist or if I was too heavy for it. The first attempt to pull me out of bed failed and it slid off. The same occurred with the second attempt. It then stopped and made the same noise as before and ran for the basement from the sound of the stairway echo. I was too afraid to sit up and look to see exactly where it went or what it actually was, but something interesting came from that. Experts have told me that it may have been a spirit trying to show me something but they are still clueless about this next statement. 7 years and 2 houses later, I still wake up on the floor beside my bed every morning. I have been recorded while sleeping and all it shows is me being moved off the bed and falling to the floor, even if I sleep on a different, larger bed... the results are still the same. In that house, some friends of my family used a Ouija board just to play around much like you would a game like trivial persuit or pictionary or something like that. I don't understand why it is continuously pulling on me and it only happens while I'm sleeping. If I stay awake all night, it will not reach for me.. If anyone can help me better understand this, I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks Scot/Mr Anonymous:)
I have a theory or two (being the opinionated asshole that I am!)

I'll have to digress slightly, but it will all bear some relevancy to your posts soon.

*Clears throat and taps microphone*
Ahem. The consciousness, or mind (not brain - very important) are entities of themselves, having their own place in the ether. It just so happens that they are born from humans and need a brain to manifest, but at times when we're most vulnerable (like during sleep) then they can be freed. Out of body or astral experiences are most common during sleep.
The consciousness enters a place that has been described by some as heaven, others as the dreamworld, others as the spiritworld. There has been recently some very convincing evidence to back up the claim that such a plane of existance is real - let us call it the collective subconscious. This is where all consciousnesses can exist outside of the body.
So from the brain, into your subconscious and then into the collective subconscious, (which will be referred to as the CS from now on).
Thoughts are pushed into our subconscious and are then often into the CS like at night, via our dreams and whatever else may make it happen. Each individual aspect disappears once it has reached a certain level, and becomes no longere individual but random, 'floating round' if you prefer. This is the root cause of all magick.
The random elements are constantly being called back into people's individual subconsciouses and then from there into the brains (the root of every random thought, idea, notion or emotion that you ever have) and this is how imagination manifests - and imagination, ladies and gentlemen, is the amazing thing that allows us to see beyond our current situation and therefore evolve as a race. If a man never had the crazy notion of a ladder from out of the blue, then where would we be today?

OK spirits. Each part of the CS can and does constantly affect other people. The elements can be shaped and channelled by focussing your emotion towards your will. In other words, want it bad enough, make it as probable as you can that it will happen and 'chance' might just fall in your favour. See COINCIDENCE!
Human contact by Angels - manipulation of the CS, like I said, is controlled by will. When I die, I doubt if anything I've ever wanted will be as strong as my desire to protect my loved ones from harm. In this case, my will is already very strong and has been given form by the countless times I've tought about it during life; I've thought about it so many times that I don't doubt that there is already a big presence of my will out there already, looking out for them. Spirit writing is when a persons subconscious is attuned to the CS and such a will comes their way, guiding their hand.
I sincerely believe that we're on the verge of a breakthrough and a breakdown of barriers between science and religion; but there will always be the people who can't accept it, because they are too devoted to their old ideas. Without God they would have nothing. Human nature.

Anonymous - regarding the spirits pulling you, again this is probably some factor of the CS trying to influence you somehow. Things happen deliberately, things happen by chance also. It's all very unpredictable and very difficult to manipulate with any degree of accuracy.

In closing, Peter Carroll said:
"To make a jar fall off a table and smash would take such a massive amount of magickal energy and concentration that it is unlikely that a human could succeed in doing it. BUT what if we were to reshape the future of the jar so that it ended up broken regardless; is this any less of a result?"

This is in response to one of Tracy's postings that said that "even some Muslims will go to heaven."
Oh please! I am sooo sick of people who believe that only their religion is right and anyone who believes anything else is comdemned to hell or other such nonsense.
Also, I'm not sure what Crowley believed but the Wiccan Rede is "An' it harm none, do as thou wilt." Meaning - as long as you harm no living thing, including yourself, you may worship Diety as you see fit.
And please don't respond with some drabble that I'm some poor, misguided, non-Christian, lost soul.

*****Al-I believe that since the English language is such that it can be open to the interpretation of the witness, it is difficult to pin- down objective truths about it. However,our gut feelings can lead us closer to what the intended meaning was. Your messages may be a result of the psychological projection of the partisipants, albeit subconsciously, dead human(s) or demons. Anyone I care about who is thinking of using one, I advise not to since they can cause real harm if actually used.

all i wanna say is, if not used by imiture teenagers and if put away and shut (YOU DON'T NEED TO BURN IT!) after use, then the Ouija Board is completely harmless. but then again, its NOT the Ouija which is dangourus, its what might come through it.

Hi everyone I won't speak long.As I do not enjoy conflict as I don't see it as being beneficial to anyone.
I am a medium.But I do not use the Ouija board.
Basicly I just don't trust it.And I like to protect my right to freewill.
And as for GOD ....yes in him I do believe.
I was once what most would call a fanatic Christain.
However my spiritual growth at this point is not supported by many churches.Because it seems I've went beyond what is normally acceptable.
As for God , The Great Spirit , The Universal Concusious or whatever Label we have come to define the Divine by.He/she is not the label but the source.
My path has only increased my belief in God and in how emensely large he/she is .
So to share my view point on this.
Don't try and put him /her into a little tiny box because he just won't fit.
He/she is bigger than all of us and one with all as well.
I hope this will bring more light to everyone's path.
Deborah Anna
P.S.
I just don't have the time or energy to waste on juding my brothers & sisters.
I have my own work to do.Bless you All.

Deborah Anna,
I am curious as to why you feel the need to validate your existance with the phrase "I am a medium". I have been scrolling through the postings and each thread. So far you have posted on every thread with the same "I am a medium" speech. Each person is a medium in varying degrees. But they are not in here touting it. It makes me believe that you are in here trying to either drum up business from some poor soul who needs help (not to be relieved of money) or to make yourself appear bigger; more than you are.
I don't make these comments to be rude or degrade you in any way. These are just thoughts that popped into my head after reading each of your postings. If you are in here to truly try to help and guide people, you may want to rethink your approach.

Well I'm sorry if you took it that way but that wasn't my intent at all.
But I can see your point .And it makes sense that it would appear like that to others.
So I guess I'll just avoid posting on these forums from now on.
The main reason that I mentioned what I do is I happenen to be proud of it ...although it is not always very accepted by the public .I find my work rewarding and enjoyable .So I guess I can be over zealous at times since it means so much to me .

Oh one more word on the subject before i Leave.
You know how some people that are gay keep there preference's secret.In the closet so to speak.
well this was the way I was about my abilities for a long time.I kept them in the closet for fear of critizm or what have you.
I guess you would say I haven't been out of the closet long .
So hollering of the roof tops about who and what I am is just par for the course.I won't ever hid my gifts again regardless of the world's veiw of them .

well , I guess I was wrong .I will post on this site again.Their are tooo many people here that I understand what they are saying .So At The Risk of offending anyone I'll leave the I am a medium thing alone for the purpose of discussion because i really want to talk to others here ...but at the same time avoid offending others with my zealous outing of my person.
So balance is key i guess .and thanks for making a note on how things appeared because even though I did take offense somewhat I guess there was a lesson in it for me.
I really need to consider how things may appear to others .Because it is easy to miss interupt someone's intent when words are your only means of expression.
They some how don't express the emontial like the voice can when you can hear someone.
Thanks Again for your post.
Deborah Anna

i believe the ouiga board does work.i come from a place were that stuff is taking seriously(black magic,wicca,hexes etc.)i live near salem mass my sons school is even in the history books his school used to be a old farmhouse the still is still in front of the school the owner supposley sold her sole to the devil and theres a big boulder in front of the school that has the devils footprint on it anyways when my grandparents were killed in a car accident me my sister and mom used one in there house it wouldn't work while i was on the board but if i walked away from it and my sis a nd mom were on it it went to town it kept saying freaky things and spelling out all kinds of peoples name the most disturbing was the one that spelt out evil and told my sis that it watches over her and was sitting right next to her it said things that none of us could possibly know

Do any frequent Ouija users have an Ouija operator? Whenever I start using my board I ask "with whom am I speaking?" and my personal operator always answers (he has asked me not to post his name). He is always very friendly, has a great sense of humour, and is typically cooperative. He says he acts as a moderator and security guard, and I am inclined to believe him because as long as I am respectful of him, nothing bad, or even that strange ever happens when I use my board. Has anyone else ever experianced an "operator?"

I would suggest before using a Ouija board that you imagine yourself and enviornment surounded by a golden light of protection - thoughts are a powerful thing. Ask that all of your contacts come from love and light, and that all negative energy be blocked

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, but I'm not going to stop using my operator, we've become very close friends. I really appreciate the advice, just last night I started talking to someone rather negative, but my operator cut us off. I'll definately take your advice in the future.

This is to yoko,
the "operator" of which you speak is actually called a Gatekeeper. This is what you need to always need to ask for before using a ouija board. Also, I hope you don't use the board alone. That's the biggest mistake you can make. It makes it easier for the wrong entities to contact you. A lot of people have met with some serious "bad" encounters with the ouija, myself included. Others have good encounters. It just depends on the person and their emotional state at the time. I hope this helps. I also agree with XLCR, about surrounding yourself in a golden light of protection. That helps some. Thanks for listening.

I thought of useing the board little mystrey and all excites me:)

I,myself had a few BAD experiences with the Ouija board..will never take the --- thing out from the closet again..should burn it....Bad only comes from that board! to each his own with using that board but NOT me..........Been forewarned... K.

YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN BUT I WARNED YOU ALL!! I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH OUIJA SINCE I WAS 8 YEARS OLD TILL 21 YEARS. NOW I AM 30. ON A EVENING WE DID A SEANCE BY MY FRIEND AT HOME ON HIS CELLAR. WE WERE WITH 8 PEOPLE. WE HAD CONTACT WITH A BAD SPIRIT. A MAN FROM THE 16TH CENTURY. IT WAS ALWAYS THE SAME SPIRIT WHO CAME AGAIN AND AGAIN. EVERY SEANCE (ONCE A WEEK) HE CAME BACK. THAT EVENING (I'LL NEVER FORGET) HE CAME BACK AND WE ASKED HIM TO CHOOSE ONE OF US AND COME INTO OUR BODY AND TAKE POSSESION SO HE COULD REALY TALK TO US AND NOT VIA THE BOARD. (VERY STUPID) BUT I NEVER WAS AFRAID BECAUSE AFTER ALL THAT TIME HE BECAME TO BE MY FRIEND. HE CHOOSED A FRIEND OF MINE (MAN) AND AFTER A FEW MINUTES HE RAISED HIS HAD AND OUT OF HIS MOUTH THERE CAME A WITH FLUID WITH BUBBLES. HE BEGAN TO KNOCK ON THE TABLE AND POINTING TO ANOTHER FRIEND OF MINE. HE BEGAN TO SPEAK IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. I'M SURE ONE OF THEM WAS LATIN. NOT LONG AFTER THAT THE OTHER FRIEND OF MINE (WHO HE HAD POINTED TO) FELD WITH HIS HEAD ON THE TABLE. IT SEEMS THAT THE GOAST HAS TEKEN POSSESION OF HIS BODY AND LEAVED THE OTHER. ALL THIS HAPPENED IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES. NOW HE BEGAN TO SPEAK IN A LANGUAGE THAT SEEMS TO BE RUSSION. THERE WERE 2 GIRLS WITH US AND THEY BEGAN TO CRIED AND LEAVED THE CELLAR. NOW I WAS REALLY AFRAID AND I TOOK THE OUIJA-BOARD AND THREW IT ON THE GROUND. I BEGAN TO SHOUT "STOP IT. GO AWAY" AND DID THAT FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES. AFTER THAT EVERYTHING WENT CALM AGAIN. ONE FRIEND WAS VERY SICK AND COULD'T MOVE FOR 2 WEAKS. THE OTHER ONE HAD NO PROBLEMS. 2 MONTHS LATER HIS BATHROOM COLLAPSED. JUST THE FLOOR OF HIS BATHROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR COLLAPSED AND FALL DOWN IN THE KITCHEN ON THE FIRST LEVEL. THAN THE WALLS BEGAN TO DO STRANGE THINGS. THE WALLS OUTSIDE BEGAN TO CURL LIKE A BANANA. A FEW WEEKS LATER AN EXPERT OF ENSURANCE CAME AND HE HAD TO LEAVE HIS HOUSE. TO DANGEROUS (FOR COLLAPSING). IT WAS AN OLD HOUSE BUT STILL NOT THAT OLD AND THERE WERE NEVER PROBLEMS WITH BEFORE. ALSO A COUPLE OF MONTS AFTER THAT ONE GUY INVOLVED DIED OF CANCER. I NEVER WANT TO SPEAK OUT THE NAME OF THAT GOSTH AGAIN. IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS ME WHO ASKED THE QUESTIONS BUT AFTER A WHILE IT WAS HIM WHO ASKED ME THE QUESTIONS. FOR EXAMPLE: WHO DO YOU HATE? WHEN I SAYD WHO, HE ASKED ME TO KILL HIM ETC. aT THE END I BURNED EVERYTHING. ALL MY COLLECTION OF BOOKS! (MANY!) MY OUIDJA-BOARD ETC. NOW I HAVE KIDS AND I NEVER WILL DO THAT AGAIN. THAY ARE ABLE TO HARM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!! NEVER FORGET THAT! I DON'T ASK YOU WHO READ THIS TO BELIEVE THIS BUT ALL I SAY IS "THIS STORY IS TRUE! AND WE WERE FOOLISH TO DO SUCH A SEANCE". WHEN YOU REALY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND BE VERY CAREFULL MAYBE IT'S OK BUT IT'S LIKE GIVING A GUN TO A KID. WITH CALLING SPIRITS (AND YOU DON'T NEED A OUIDJA-BOARD FOR THAT), YOU CAN OPEN DOORS TO LET COME DEMONS AND BAD SPIRITS IN TO YOUR LIVE. MY ADVICE: BE CAREFULL AND CERTAINLY NEVER DO IT WITH LITTLE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD PLEASE.

It's a toy sold by Parker Bros. - If it works...ask for the winning lottery numbers!

Like with anything, you should know what you are doing, to be good at it. Opening up the channels or dimensions not knowing what you'r getting into can be serious, Many people have found first hand they let in some creeps. The ouji is a door you have to know the right address's to get the right channel. In Address's I mean location of your thought vibrations when summoning. Yes, as in this world you would'nt go up to a stranger so readily and open yourself up without knowing him. Essentially this what most people do when working with the ouji. You need a location to start with, for example your intent will attract proper guides. Now guides is a very good starting ground for channeling thru the ouji, the intent should be "send me a guide with great love for the better of mankind" or somthing powerfull and positive. If you can fix your thoughts on this
you create a radio signal with your thoughts, kinda like dialing in a radio station off your tuner. The lowly spirits won't even hear the signal. Our thoughts are things and we create signals with them. So guard your thought chamber's. Create the spiritual environment don't let the board. Tell it what to do with authority
Lost souls are very similar to children they need direction they scare very easily with a strong will.and if you are noy protected they will bring you into their world which can be dangerous. My next advice is to be very focused at the intent of your session. If you can't and are not serios
the channel will not be good. The ouji in itself is not dangerous it is the users. A ouji can be made from scratch anyone can bulid this board. What is dangerous in a cardboard with letters on it. Come on, we all have to be owners of what is infront or behind us. The ouli is simply a tool. For the tool to work well we have to operate it, what kind of job we do is earning to operat it well. Spirit guide's are rampant as well as the prison dwellers. Why would I dial any number in the phone book to make my friend's.
The same with the ouji. It actualy can be a wonderful tool for a direct line. Spirit guides are there waiting to fullfil you with grace they just need to be asked to come in. Love vibrations an excellant source of channeling energy. Go further get some llewellyn books and actually create a protective circle. Free web tarot at llewellyn web tarot. Great fun. Mowgly

Get the book "The unobstructed Universe" by White, to learn how these people used The ouji. A good example of the proper use. Some of the user's where very sensitive and had past medium experiences and they also knew a women who passed over who was a proffesional medium in her physical body. They went thru her to learn about the universe, this unobstructed universe when you loose your body. Interesting incredible reading I realize that to explain this world with the limits of our language was a challenge. They referred alot to frequancy speed's of people verse's these beings "The Invisible's" Ghost or whatever, we can't see them cause they are moving at differant speeds of frequency. Like a fan and it's blades are invisible, so are they to our eyesight. This was an example they used to describe this parrallel world of afterlife. Yes there are bad neighborhoods there are good ones, I think of these separation's of godly invisibles or evil ones with walls like dimensions. Like a big school of differant levels, grades, soul age.
A huge learning, karmic positioning and if you have used your life wisely here you take that with you, your knowledge and wisdom is used to guide others and build your karma for better positioning, in your physical body and the etheric one. I like the better neighborhoods myself. I got this from the book I mentioned and the people they channeled thru the ouji. They also got healing remedies doctors of a higher plane. Mowgly

I had a very strange Ouija experience. I would have to say be careful because you never know what may happen to you. Myself I have Tarot cards and have found the Tarot to be more accurate than the Ouija. I don't have to deal with other spirits. I just think of some movies where people get possessed and I'm sure that I don't want that to be me, it could if I kept using the board. Some think it's just hocus pocus, or just words on a board. Yea that is what I thought until a spirit went through my body. I then did not find it so funny anymore, not after what I went through. I could of gotten it much worse than I did. I was lucky enough to learn and move on from such things. I feel a person is going to do what they want no matter who says what. People say things from experience but sometimes there is not much we can say or do, just let others see for themselves..because sometimes it takes just that. I can say from my experience spirits are real and are not to be messed with. I am still learning what this life is all about. I sure don't need to know anything but where I am at. The answers do not come from some board. The answers people seek are within themselves. Ouija is for calling up spirits, not getting answers to your questions. That is what attracts some people. They think their questions will get answered. You also have have the kind of folks who want to know what it is like to have communication with a spirit, well they find out what is is really like and most people can't deal with what they see or go through. I will say leave the board alone but in the end people will do what they want. I can just say I will never own an Ouija board because I am too afraid and because I have other ways to get my answers.

As far as God. I believe in Jesus and the Sun..I'm talking the Sun in the sky. Yes to me is also God. I also believe in the Lady as mother nature and the God of this earth. I have had conversations with God and to my understanding he accepts all religions. God is not like the whole bible, just some of it, not all. God told me he wants the bible to be redone, and if I don't he will find someone else who will. I am a Wiccan and God came to me. He accepts me and my belief's.
There is also no Hell. The Hell is what people have created in their minds, now Hell exsist because so many people believe and fear it. God does not want this. At least that is what I believed he told me. When people stop believing in Hell then Hell will no longer be..Think about this. Why would God want us to believe in him? Why? Because with belief you give God power and you give him the power to live on even after death, without your belief God would not..Same with Hell. So when people stop believing in Hell, which will take many years, but once this happens then Hell will no longer remain. Also there are many levels we must pass in this life. Never ending life means to be reborn and to die, then to be reborn again. We never really die, because we come back and each time we are here to learn something. I accept all others belief's and I never let anyone make me feel bad for mine. Like God he to accepts all of us. We just need to let him do so and without the fear of the devil, or anyone else for that matter.

Dream-Child

I've only used an oujia board once. I was only 11 at the time so I didn't really know what it was. If I would have known I was have asked it better questions. I only got to ask one question then my dad got there to pick me up so I had to leave. The question I asked was "Does Silas like me?" I had a crush on a guy named Silas at the time. It said yes I dunno if it was true or not. I just remember being tripped out cuz I didn't thing it would actually move w/o anyone moving it.

Listen Folks, theres NO such thing as a safe spirit on the ouja. Thats the bottom line.
You are playing Russian Roulette with your life doing that thing.

I absolutely guarantee massive trouble if you mess with it. You might not drop dead overnight, but other things will happen like sickness, depression will creep in, poltergiest activity and other such stuff.

Its the worst thing I know of.

Hah about what Matthew said about "Don't make me get my flying monkeys," i have a bumper sticker that says that.
Anyways, would a home-made board really work?? i have someone who i would really like to contact.